Monday, February 29, 2016

Derek Holmes Seminar Paper 2/29/2016


Derek Holmes

Seminar Paper

2/29/16

 

Soul Food

In The Republic, Plato covers a diverse range of topics, but Socrates’ teaching is only concerned with the soul. Justice is at the center of the discussion in book one of The Republic, but Socrates only uses this topic to teach principles about the soul that recur throughout the Republic. Socrates world revolves around the soul. His teaching is derived from the paradigm that the soul is eternal so the highest goal is to cultivate a virtuous soul. Socrates believes that this thread of knowledge is essential because if one truly believes, it inevitably leads to a happy life.

In book one of the Republic, there is a discussion to find what justice is and rather it is better to be just or unjust. It is taken for granted that amidst the discussion of justice, Socrates somehow finds a way to talk about the soul. No one else in the dialogue comes close to relating justice to the soul. The first definition of justice is to speak truth and pay off your debts. The second is to be good to friends and evil to enemies.  The third definition is to be good to the just and do harm to the unjust. Finally, Thrasymachus defines justice as nothing more than the interest of the stronger. Other characters in the dialogue seem to see justice in terms of circumstances. Their definitions sound more like laws and codes. In book one, Socrates eventually determines that, “justice is virtue of soul, and injustice vice” (33). Socrates proves that, “the just man is happy and the unjust man wretched” (33). Socrates makes a strong case against injustice because he is grounded in his belief that the justice is virtue and wisdom while injustice is vice and lack of learning. This is the foundation of his argument from the start. Socrates then goes even further by saying that justice is the excellence of the soul and that injustice is the defect of the soul.

Moreover, Socrates discussion about justice becomes a means to an end. Initially, Socrates inquires what justice is and then that justice is more profitable than injustice. In an attempt to find what justice is, Socrates only discovers that it is a virtue of the soul. Socrates admits to proving that justice is wisdom and learning and that it is more profitable than injustice, but he says he still has not figured exactly what justice is.  At the end of book one Socrates says, so long as I do not know what the just is, I shall hardly know whether it is a virtue or not and whether the one who has it is unhappy or happy” (34). Socrates uses an example of the functioning of the eye to illustrate his point that justice is truly a virtue of the soul. The work of an eye is sight and if an eye were deprived of its virtue it will not be able to see. He means that the work of eyes, “will be done well with their proper virtue, and badly with vice” (33). The work of the soul is living. Can a soul live well without justice? If a soul needs justice to live well then justice is a virtue of the soul. This was Socrates’ interest from the beginning, to see if justice is a virtue of the soul; to see if justice is good for the soul. For the rest of the Republic, Socrates shows what a soul looks like when deprived of justice and with justice. Socrates initial conversation with Cephalus foreshadows this thinking. In old age one can more clearly see what is good for him and what vanity is. Many people find old age daunting but Cephalus says that he finds it peaceful because he no longer has to struggle with the “mad masters” of life. When asked if life is hard easy or smooth Cephalus says that it truly depends on, “the character of the human beings. If they are orderly and content with themselves, even old age is only moderately troublesome; if not then both age and youth alike turn out to be hard in that sort”(2). Cephalus alludes that  unhappiness, discomfort and wretchedness are not due to poverty or old age but is really a result of injustice or vie and ignorance. Later in the Republic Socrates affirms that the just man is blessed and happy.

In book one of the Republic, Socrates goal is also to examine the unjust soul. The topic of injustice opens the door for Plato to explore many ideas, but to examine injustice of the soul is Socrates main goal. Socrates finds that justice is virtue of soul, and that justice is what helps the soul function properly. He asserts that, “the just soul and the just man will have a good life, and the unjust man a bad one” (33). Thrasymachus says to Socrates that, “you are so far off about justice, and the unjust and injustice, that you are unaware that justice and the just are really someone else’s good, the advantage of the man who is stronger rules, and a personal harm to the man who obeys and serves. Injustice is the opposite, and it rules the simple and just; and those who are ruled do what is advantageous for him who is stronger, and they make him whom they serve happy but for themselves not at all” (21). Thrasymachus makes an intriguing argument. There must be some validity to Thrasymachus’ argument because Socrates and the other characters seriously inquire rather the unjust life is good. Socrates later finds that the unjust is one who is, “unable to act, because he is at faction and is not of one mind with himself, and, second an enemy both to himself and to just men” (31). Socrates eventually shows that injustice is merely ignorance and lack of knowledge. It seems that to Socrates injustice comes as a result of people being misinformed, and he insinuates that injustice would be eliminated if society’s priority was the state of the individual’s soul. In The Apology, Socrates says, “are you not ashamed of your eagerness to possess much wealth, reputation, and honors as possible while you do not care for nor give thought to wisdom or truth or the best possible state of your soul” (5).   Socrates sees injustice a symptom that comes from jaded thinking and beliefs. He believes that individuals would cease from unjust actions if they valued their souls more than the rewards that they perceive to come from unjust actions.

            Essentially, the position that Socrates takes in book one is based on the consistent gospel that he teaches throughout the rest of the Republic and in his other works. The gospel is that the soul is eternal and one should cultivate the soul. Through the topic of justice and injustice, Socrates subtly asks what does it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul. However, Socrates adds to this by asserting that the just life is more profitable and happier. Socrates argues that you do not have to wait to get your reward in heaven, but that, “the just man is happy and the unjust man wretched” (33). Socrates describes justice as an active condition. He does not distinguish justice from a just soul. By the end of book one these two are one in the same. In his article about justice and virtue, Aryeh Kosman asks a great question about justice as an active condition. What sorts of actions create an active condition of justice? I believe that Socrates would answer that a man’s actions do not make him just. The just man is just because he believes that the soul is more precious than to anything and this belief guides his actions. This belief is what gave Socrates happiness even in the face of death and is his foundation when defending justice in Book one of the Republic. From the perspective of a man who truly values his eternal soul over everything, justice is clearly better than injustice.

            In conclusion, one may feel cheated out of a straightforward answer to the question asked in book one of the Republic. Socrates says that justice is virtue of soul so justice is what helps the soul function properly. The function of the soul is to live. Justice is what helps a man live a good life. Justice is what makes a ship sail smoothly.  Justice is what makes a city function as a good city. Justice is what is good for the soul.

 

14 comments:

  1. Did Socrates really prove that justice is better than justice in Book one? Or was he just able to stop Thrasymachus from saying anymore? The only reason why I ask is because in Book two, Adeimantus and Polemarchus have a problem with Socrates' explanation of justice. They want him to go deeper into the explanation to make sure no one can argue with the idea of injustice being better.

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    1. He definitely didn't completely prove everything and he admits this at the end of Book one. (I quoted that in the essay). My point was that he proved in Book one the justice is a virtue and the absence of justice (injustice) in the city/soul would clearly show. He proceeds to use a bunch of analogies and descriptions to show how the city/soul looks with and without justice to further prove his point. First her has to show that justice is a virtue of the soul and will be needed, then he shows why and how.

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    2. In the rest of the books...

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  2. Is it possible that the Plato's big picture idea of justice didn't stop at the individual soul? Could it be that the big picture is the idea of a thriving society is composed of virtuous citizens?

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    1. Also, if his idea of justice itself the notion that all of the components are completing their own individual tasks? How does this affect the argument that justice is good for the soul?

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    2. That definitely is a great point that he is trying to say that a good city is composed of virtuous souls. My essay focused on the details of how these individuals of this thriving society would become virtuous/just. Socrates answer that was in Taylors paper and not mine was the philosopher king that would have many of the ideals described in my essay. With that being said , since we are human our tasks will change so there must be principles that transfer to different tasks. That is why I think Socrates aims to address principles and imparts wisdom that can be applied to every function. The philosopher king in particular would be the one to control the parts in a society but in an individual I Socrates would say the soul is the key. The philosopher king and the virtuous soul both would act in accordance with the good.

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  3. Since you believe there is an active condition to be just, do you also believe that it is an active condition to be unjust? Does the unjust soul actively act unjust? If a man's actions doesn't determine if he is actively just than what determines the unjust man? I ask this because you mention active condition for justice but nothing for injustice. Potentially adding this could really strengthen your argument I believe. I do believe that the actions of a man does go toward determining if they are just or unjust more than any other action or thought brought forward to this point. Socrates believe in the eternal soul establishes that the active condition of justice leads to rewards but is it more ignorance or a corrupted soul that leads to injustice and punishment of the eternal soul?

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    1. I was thinking and my essay was very weak in addressing injustice. I was thinking about history and all the atrocities and harm that people do. I didn't distinguish between ignorance and vice. The latter being a lot less innocent and Socrates says a lot about tyrants and vice and injustice. With that being said, I wrote the essay to focus on the principles of Socrates. The core of arguments because I think that there is a thread that runs through all of his work. My best answer is that the thread is the soul. If society and individuals focused more on cultivating a virtuous soul these problems can be stopped at the source. I think Socrates is less concerned about the actions of the unjust/just , but the core values and beliefs that lead to these actions. So the active condition of the unjust is an active condition that at its core is ignorance and of vice. One girl in class pointed out the importance of self-control moderation and temperance and she was on point.

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  4. I see how Socrates is trying to explain that one needs to cultivate one's soul. However, I am not sure if Socrates makes it explicit that the soul is eternal in Book 1. For instance, Socrates discussion with Cephalus seems like the best place to bring up the eternity of one's soul. However, Socrates seems more interested in the idea of justice and injustice in the soul rather than the soul itself. Perhaps Socrates needs to answer the questions of justice and injustice before he can explain the eternity of the soul, which could be an explanation for the dialogue ending with the Myth of Er.

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    1. Yeah, I think you're right Heidi!

      I don't think Socrates fully explained justice in book one if he did the book would have stopped there., but he took his time to explain injustice in the following books. He demonstrated what an unjust rulers and cities look like as well. Lastly, in book 10 he explained justice through the myth of Er.

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  5. Is it only justice that makes the soul good? Or is it some combination of justice and moderation, and maybe even a philosophic nature? I only say this because justice is each part doing it's own, but if a desiring person desires, that is just and they could still carry out unjust actions, I think moderation is what makes justice good. Think of the little dude, his lion is "lioning" well, just too well. With moderation, he would live a good life. This might be a little too compacted, but I think the idea of a good life can't be broken down into one part, but a combination of the workings of many parts (moderation) doing what they're supposed to be doing (justice).

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  6. Is the eternity of the soul necessary in the argument of justice? And if so, is this view shown in Book I? I say this because if the many, including the interlocutors, are more concerned with results of their actions and only want honor and wealth. If justice is good on its own, like health, stemming from a just soul resulting in just actions, how can any injustice bring about any just results? It could suggest that an unjust person can never do anything just. In practice, I don't know if this is true.

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  7. I believe this is just another example of an idea working in theory but not in reality. I say this because I agree with your train of thought, but I also know that unjust people do just things all the time in the real world. You can read quite often about very bad criminals who either saving someone's life or doing some kindness for another.

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  8. Great Paper! I really enjoyed how straightforward your points are. It is easy to see and appreciate the simplicity of the argument made by Socrates, especially with the eye example. So if the goal of Socrates’s argument is to cultivate the soul, because it is eternal, what happens to those who don’t cultivate their souls or live just lives? Are the damned? Also, if actions don’t effect if a man is just, what role do they play?

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