In Mitchell
Miller’s article “Beginning the ‘Longer Way’,” Miller explores the “longer and
fuller way” that Socrates mentions in order to best view the “soul and its
virtures” (310). Specifically, Miller examines how Socrates plays with the
notion of having a “longer way”, however, there is no explanation of it. The
reason being, Miller explains, that Glaucon and Adeimantus lack the
mathematical studies needed to understand the meaning. This seems to show that
Plato is letting his readers think critically and try to “recognize the limits
that Glaucon and Adeimantus” display (311).
Therefore, there
is a need for the readers to try to decipher the meaning of the “longer way”. He
explains the “presentation of the ‘longer way’ as a pointed provocation to us,
aimed at moving us to speak up… it will be up to us… to discover this deeper
Socratic position for ourselves” (311). In order for us to discover this,
Miller separates his essay into four parts. The first part explains the “longer
way” as a philosophical climax and anticlimax in The Republic, the second part looks into the five mathematical
studies and how it has the power to lead the soul out of the darkness of the
cave, the third part explains how we may ascend past mathematics in order to
distinguish Forms and how it relates to the Good, and the last section ties
together his essay by revealing more questions than conclusions.
In the first
section, Miller describes the “longer way” as “the educational process that
will perfect the guardian of the city, raising him to the status of a
philosopher-king” (311). This is divided into different sections of learning,
mathematics, dialectic, and practical-political experience. Miller explains
that the “longer way” is both a philosophical climax and anticlimax of The Republic. The climax being that the
“longer way” is a promise to complete the construction of the just city,
bringing justice in the soul to view (312). Socrates explains, at the end of
Book 4, the parts of the soul and begins to introduce the “longer way”. He
describes the philosophical education as a goal to understand the Good itself
and uses three metaphors to describe the spiritual transformation for this
understanding: the philosopher-to-be, who seeks to understand the thing itself,
rather than an example of that thing; the philosopher-to-be that ascends from
the cave in order to reach the light and having the ability to recognize the
thing itself; and one that understands the true nature of the thing, which is
understanding the Good (313).
However, Miller
also shows that Socrates says less than what he would need to. To understand
the “Form of the Good” is the goal of becoming the philosopher-king-to-be,
however, Miller argues that Socrates holds back information and instead, gives
similes of the sun that causes us to have more questions about “being” and what
is knowable. Socrates also does this in regards to dialectic, the study of
Forms, which Miller says is “the highest stage of intellectual work short of
the understanding of the Good” (315). Socrates explains the dialectic in the
divided line but as short explanations for Forms. Then he stops and refuses to
tell Glaucon more of the dialectic. After Socrates explains “the knowable” and
“the opinable”, Miller argues that Socrates is doing Glaucon and Adeimantus a
disservice. It causes them to rely on the familiar things and will complicate
the reception of the analogies that he had made of the sun, divided line, and
the cave. Lastly, Socrates explains the reluctance to become a king is for the
good of the city, however, Socrates is also the one who willingly descended in
order to lead Glaucon and Adeimantus out of the cave, causing a conflict in
what he says.
In section two,
Miller talks about mathematics having the “power to lead the soul out of the
cave”. However, it is mentioned that with mathematics alone, the individual
that escapes is “still unable to look at animals and plants and the light of
the sun” (319). Socrates explains that objects of mathematics are not things
themselves, but appearances. Miller argues that the five disciplines,
calculation, arithmetic, geometry, astronomy, and harmonic theory, “contributes
to the ascent from the sensible” (320). First he starts with the ascent to
Forms. Miller explains that calculation and arithmetic used as the true
intentional objects, geometry is the study of pure figure, and astronomy is the
general study of solids in motion, which “is transitional between plane and
solid geometry, on the one hand, and harmonic, theory, on the other” (320-321).
Once he gives them form, he makes it sensible by moving it from two-dimensional
to three, to three-dimensional to motion. Lastly, Miller moves sensible to
being by stating that we must maintain the sensible while gaining the
intellect.
In the third
section, Miller asks how we may ascend beyond mathematics to the actual object
itself (323). He starts off by
describing the function of perfection. The example he uses is a triangle and states,
“a perfect triangle can be recognized as a perfect triangle only insofar as it
exemplifies the form triangularity and this exemplarity guides the recognition”
(325). Miller then explains perfect as sensible particulars by comparing it to
Forms saying, “perfection, accordingly, is like the Forms in having the
character of a function” (326). It is able to be compared because perfection
has many different ways of determining it. By comparing perfection and Form, we
are able to realize that Form is a way to determine perfection. This leads to
understanding the Good, which is also the source of “the truth” (327). This
provides a way to see Socrates’ point of view in saying that The Good is
responsible for “the to-be and the being” (328). Miller explains that the Good
is responsible for Forms, mathematicals, and the “knowables” (328).
He then talks
about harmonic theory and how it relates from figures to the ratios. However,
the ratios that come into view are the three means of Archytas’ theory of
proportions: “the Form of pitch and the subordinate Forms it implies and, on
the other hand, the sensible sounds of actual music” (338). These Forms relates
to “what is to be ‘beautiful and good’” (332). The study of harmonic theory
brings a unity that creates a wholeness and harmony. Socrates also describes
this unity for both the city and the soul, “the decisive criterion of goodness
is the proper distinction and harmonious fit of their parts” (333). This Good
helps the individual find the “longer way” into the best possible view into the
soul. He ends this section with assimilating oneself to the Good. Miller brings
up the philosopher’s reluctance to rule and says that Socrates wants to be able
to inform his fellow Athenians of the order of the soul (334).
Miller ends with
section four by bringing together everything that was mentioned and saying that
what we have considered does not offer completeness or conclusions, but more
leaves more questions. He ends with a series of questions to keep the reader
thinking.
Question one: What do you think Plato meant by causing Socrates to
make a contradiction on philosophers being reluctant rulers but still trying to
teach people justice in the soul?
Question two: Why does Socrates teach the people of Athens? Why should he go back down into the cave to help the others out?
Question three: How does perfection play a role in our perception
of an object?
Question four: Can you relate the five mathematical disciplines to
the parts of the city? How and what are they?
Question five: Is Socrates wrong for trying to teach his fellow
Athenians after stating that it is better that the philosophers should not
rule?
Question 2: I believe that Socrates teaches the people of Athens to help educate and bring up the masses to create new generations of thinkers that can lead to a betterment of Athens. This relates directly to the cave in the manner by Socrates goes back to the cave with the aspiration of bringing more up with him that can then think for themselves and have a new understanding or perception of the world. Socrates has the obligation to go down and try to bring people to the surface from the cave because he talks about the just soul and the true leader's actions by returning to the cave and bringing others back up with him. Socrates demonstrates what he is doing in Athens is a real life example of how philosophers can contribute to the enlightenment of others such as the cave stands for.
ReplyDelete(2) Yup Pretty much! Socrates is the perfect example of the prisoner was "dragged out the cave" and was exposed to the real world. The fact he was dragged out represents the fact he hated his condition down at the deep cave. A man naturally is not going to change something until he hates its nature and realizes that he needs to change and that's exactly what Socrates did. Of course, the dragging out process was painful and took some time to adjust, but it was worth it. Look at him now, he is the philosopher king. It is always hard to go back to where you come from and educate your peers or friends. That is the reason why we change our circle of friends. They just won't understand the 'new us". When Socrates goes back to the cave and tries to take people out back out with him, not only they refused, but called him out names. That never stopped Socrates though, he still felt the need to help others. Just to be clear, I don't think he was trying to portray himself as a show off or a ruler. He simply wants people to wake up and see what is going on around them!
DeleteQuestion 5: First off, I do not think that Socrates is teaching his fellow Athenians. Although his writings may come off this way, I believe Socrates is attempting to guide his fellow Athenians through example. He sets down certain guidelines and philosophies and leaves it to the reader to interpret it for himself. Sure he gives his opinion of those guidelines and philosophies, but he does allow the readers to agree or disagree with it. Secondly, I do not think Socrates was saying that philosophers should not rule. I think he is advocating that philosophers are the most fit to rule because of their nature and their ability to rule justly. Sometimes it could be difficult for philosophers to rule because of the negative perception that people have of philosophers, which is why they may not want to rule. However, in the end, I believe Socrates is advocating that philosophers should rule if possible.
ReplyDeleteQ1: I don't think it's that hard to see why philosophers wouldn't want to rule if they aren't being swayed by the power, wealth and honor it brings, while those who desire to rule are. I'm don't think this contradicts the argument of justice, because this is utilitarian justice of the soul; we don't care if the guardians are happy as long as they do their job and it makes the city better. Justice is every part working together together, and if in the philosopher king rules out of necessity. I think the argument could be made that in all of the city/soul analogies the correct ruler rules out of necessity for the whole of everyone involved.
ReplyDeleteQuestion 5: Socrates does not believe that philosophers should not rule; only that they aren't typically revered or acknowledged as leaders. He actually argues that philosophers are the best equipped to rule because they are concerned knowledge and truth. This is outlined in the ship of state. Even if he argued that philosophers shouldn't rule, they would still be the best suited to teach.
ReplyDeleteQuestion 2: I believe Socrates teaches the people of Athens because they are ignorant of what philosophy truly is. Plato is using an executed philosopher, his mentor, to show how philosophy is beneficial and how the many don't actually understand it, even those who think they do. In the allegory of the cave, the prisoners (representative of the many)make fun of the one who escaped and learned (comparable to a philosopher who escaped ignorance and sought out knowledge) and regard him as useless or unintelligible (since he can no longer discern the shadows), and even say that the light (knowledge) had corrupted him. By Socrates teaching Athens about philosophy, he is able to show them that it is not the virtue of someone incorrigible, but rather beneficial to those who delve (properly) into its midst.
ReplyDeleteI think that Socrates would be a hypocrite if he did not bring people out of the cave. This has become his function. Socrates emphasis that one should do what he does and do it well. I think Socrates has found what he does and he does it well. I also think that Socrates very much enjoys bringing people out of the cave.
ReplyDeleteQuestion 2: The Allegory of the Cave suggests that once the prisoner leaves the cave and is exposed to the real world for the first time, he must make his way back down because the truth is too much to take in at once. Socrates' reason for using his method of questioning is to get closer to the truth rather than to simply win an argument. I believe that Socrates had to make his way to bottom of the cave and back up again in order to understand the ultimate truth. By trying to help others out of the cave, Socrates can benefit in getting closer to the truth by trying to explain and work it out with others who don't understand it, like Glaucon. The bottom of the cave represents ignorance which is where most of the Athenians are and by helping them leave the cave, Socrates himself will also be able to leave the cave.
ReplyDelete(3) I believe perfection is the key to understanding the flaws of an object. By using the idea of perfection, we create what we believe to be an ideal or perfect image of an object or idea, but since perfection cannot be attained we have no idea of knowing what the perfect version of that object or idea would look like. Instead, in order to create this image, we remove all the perceived flaws related to the thing and the end result is what we believe the perfect image of that object would look like because all the flaws have been removed. This highlighting of the flaws allows a person to realize what flaws are present that could be improved, even ones they did not know about.
ReplyDeleteI think Socrates has a moral obligation to teach the people of Athens. I feel like morality plays a big part in the Republic and I think Socrates feels that those who have knowledge are morally obligated to teach others and bring them out of the cave. True enlightenment seems to be a theme throughout the Republic and I think Socrates believes the more people he teaches, the better the world will be. If citizens are enlightened to the truth, then the world will be a better place to live. Therefore, it is his morality and obligation to humanity that drives him to go down and bring others out of the cave.
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