Tuesday, January 19, 2016

Summary and Questions for “The Protreptic Rhetoric of the Republic” by Harvey Yunis

In Harvey Yunis’ article “The Protreptic Rhetoric of the Republic,” Yunis examines what purpose motivated Plato to write the Republic, how we can know that purpose, and how the Republic is shaped in order to accomplish such a goal. More specifically, he is interested in how Plato intended for the Republic to effect its readers, both contemporary and far onward to ourselves millennia later. Yunis argues “that Plato’s purpose as a philosophical writer was not merely to present compelling arguments about how one should live, but to present them in such a way that the reader would be most likely to be compelled by them to live in a particular way” (1). As such, it seems that Yunis identifies Plato’s ultimate goal as to incite change and action, not merely contemplation, and he interprets the Republic as a persuasive text that endorses the arguments within.  
Yunis clarifies the kind of active change the Republic aims at by pointing to the change exemplified by the interlocutors Glaucon and Adeimantus over the course of Socrates’ argument. He claims that Glaucon and Adeimantus change in three ways: they change their views on justice, they change their values, and they are depicted in such a way by Plato as to suggest that they will change the way they live after the close of the dialogue. These last two are particularly important as the two brothers are turned toward valuing virtue and the good over anything selfish or material. This is the purpose of the arguments of the Republic, and “this purpose can be summed up in the word protreptic” (4). A protreptic education, as defined by Yunis, “does not by itself bring about education in virtue;” rather, “it aims to get education in virtue under way, to get the reader or auditor turned and moving in the right direction, and to make the acquisition of virtue an urgent priority” (4). In Yunis’ argument, this definition of protreptic education is all important, for Yunis argues that a protreptic education of readers is Plato’s fundamental goal with the Republic. From this point, Yunis divides his essay into four parts. The first looks to what it meant for Plato to write in order to change his readers values, the second to who the audience of the Republic was, the third to how “the view of the Republic as protreptic [squares] with Plato’s views on political and philosophical discourse,” and fourth to how this protreptic goal is reflected in the text (5).
In regards to the first, Yunis argues that Plato was not operating on the premise that “he could change the values of every reader who picked up the Republic,” or that any potential readers would be as enthusiastic as Glaucon and Adeimantus. Rather, as demonstrated by an interlocutor like Thrasymachus, some readers would have no desire to for an earnest philosophical discussion towards examining a virtuous life. However, while Plato could not determine how readers would be affected by the text, his “strategy was to exploit the available literary sources,” which were under Plato’s control, “in such a way that an unknown reader would most likely be moved as close to Socrates’ position on justice and the soul as possible” (7). This protreptic strategy is less focused on the outcome and more on making the educational material as compelling to a reader as possible. In this way, Yunis parallels Plato’s protreptic endeavor, through writing, with Socrates’ protreptic endeavor, through conversation with his fellow citizens. Also, like Socrates, Plato’s endeavor should be judged by its goals and methods, not its overall outcome. Indeed, “if Plato were to move that reader even slightly closer to Socrates’ view of justice and the soul than he was before, that would not be an insignificant achievement” (9).
In the second section, Yunis describes the social and historical background in which Plato was writing and how the genre of dialogue fit into such a climate. The dialogue form was a kind of popular writing that avoided “the constraints of democratic competition and the religious scruples attached to public poetic performance,” which gave the dialogue form an unprecedented freedom (10). It is likely that only the aristocratic class would have had the leisure and education to read Plato’s dialogues; however, there is no real evidence of who the contemporary Athenian readers were or what kind of background they brought to the text. More importantly, Yunis identifies the “moral and political status” of Plato’s intended readers (11). These individuals would be “responsible for their personal welfare and common affairs, who had choices to make, individually and collectively” (11). Yunis further argues that Plato wrote for a broad audience because Plato broke with the philosophical tradition of writing technical treatises, and, instead, he “sought to treat ethical problems of universal relevance and to make philosophy accessible”  by writing engaging literary dialogues (13). The effect of this new style is important because it is aimed at appealing to the reader by making philosophy seem almost ordinary and the “consequence of a chance, everyday encounter,” much like the one we see opening the Republic. Such naturalness results in what Yunis terms “disguised protreptic,” which disarms the reader and opens minds to Plato’s protreptic purpose (14).
The third section argues that the protreptic nature works in conjunction with Plato’s political and philosophical aims. In the Republic, Plato warns of the danger faced by a philosopher in the city, and, accordingly, writing dialogues allows Plato to make philosophical arguments while retaining freedom of speech and personal safety. Moreover, his dialogues are an experimental attempt “to explain what philosophy is and why political power should be entirely vested in the philosophers” (17). Yunis even suggests that Plato implements in his writing the strategies he delineates in the Republic for how the guardians should be educated. In the dialogue, Plato wants to control influences such as “mythological tales, narrative and dramatic poetry, particular rhythms, songs, diction…,” many of which are used by Plato himself in the Republic to comprehensively make his arguments. More importantly, this makes the Republic a “counter charm to poetry’s spell,” as Socrates’ argues for in the text. In this sense, “the Republic challenges and aims to supplant Homer,” “to rectify deeply ingrained cultural values,” and “to bring about the symbolic displacement of the massive body of poetry at the center of the inherited culture” (19).
In the last section, Yunis turns to identifying examples of Plato’s protreptic purpose in the text. The greatest protreptic moment in in Book 5 when Socrates speaks of the “three waves.” The waves are the proposals about women and children and culminate in the argument for philosopher kings. Such proposals “are incompatible with conventional beliefs about human nature current in fourth century Greece, and it is that incompatibility that creates the threat posed by the three waves” (21). Indeed, the proposals seem impossible. As such, Plato must encourage his readers to overcome their culturally inherited conventions and accept the argument on its merits. This is accomplished rhetorically through Plato’s narrative and imagistic devices. For instance, “the image of the cave contributes greatly to this task: it depicts conventional values as unnatural, and it explains the fact that the unnaturalness of these values has generally gone unnoticed” (22). Additionally, the characters of Glaucon and Adeimantus, individuals much like Plato’s prospective audience, are crucial because they embody the transformation from disbelief to true belief. As such, they allow “the reader to feel… that perhaps he too can withstand the waves and come to accept philosopher kings as natural” (23). What is all important is that the text and its literary devices are as compelling as possible to the reader to turn them, as Glaucon and Adeimantus are turned, towards value virtue and living virtuous lives.

Questions:
1. Why does Yunis think it necessary to distinguish between education that itself brings about virtue and protreptic education that only aims to turn the audience toward virtue? Why does the Republic fall into the protreptic category and not the former?
2. If the Republic is protreptic as defined by Yunis, are Socrates’ arguments are to be understood as Plato’s legitimate political ideas and goals? Can we take Plato at face value?
3. For Yunis, the Republic is primarily educational. However, it could also be interpreted as primarily political. Can either be said to be more or less correct? Or is it even valuable to attempt to nail down one single motivating force behind the writing of the Republic?
4. Yunis singles out Glaucon and Adeimantus as the examples within the text of the transformation Plato desires in his readers. What about the other interlocutors? Thrasymachus could be a negative example, but what about Polemarchus or Cephalus? How are they meant to affect us, the readers?
5. Yunis suggests that the Republic may be a counter charm to the allure of poetry. In Books I and II, the interlocutors often cite poets as authority figures. Is there a specific way Socrates’ responded to these uses of the poets that suggests how he is countering them?

17 comments:

  1. Question 3: I feel that it would be more valuable to interpret it as both political and educational. Plato may be educating the readers on how to formulate arguments, but he could also be informing the readers about what he feels, or how Socrates feels, about politics. By interpreting them as both, we will be able to have a bigger picture on the book as a whole. This way, we can come closer to understanding what Plato may have intended for this text.

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    1. It seems right to me to insist that the political arguments of the Republic be taken seriously, but it also seems necessary to me to acknowledge Socrates' preference for what Anna calls the "educational" arguments. So, the challenge always is to keep an eye on both, but also to remember and to try to make sense of Socrates' emphasis on education.

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  2. Question 1: I feel that Yunis declares the Republic to be a protreptic text because he takes into consideration that Plato understood the difficulties of providing an education that results in virtue. Creating an education that leads to virtue is extremely difficult and requires a re-evaluation of the education already present. We already see in the Republic that there are many forms of censorship needed for the guardians, who only make up one part of the feverish city. Thus, creating an education that leads everyone to virtue is not necessarily feasible. Perhaps, Yunis believed the Republic was the initial step in creating an education that teaches virtue by first turning people towards virtue.

    Question 4: Although the majority of the dialogue is among Glaucon, Adeimantus, and Socrates, the other interlocutors still serve as examples of transformation. Thrasymachus and Polemarchus could potentially serve to be the type of people that are not willing to listen if they are shown to be wrong. As Yunis mentions, Glaucon is the ideal character that is supposed to reflect how people should change, but in reality, people might be more like Thrasymachus or Polemarchus.

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    1. Question 4. I would agree with Heidi that Thrasymachus and Polemarchus are to be seen as the stubborn and unwilling to learn characters that the reader, similarly to Glaucon, should learn how to battle against. I wouldn't say that they, or even Cephalus, serve as examples of transformation though. Rather, it is a method for making the reader easily understand the different views of justice by attaching them to characters. The introduction of so many at the beginning allows a reader to attach to a character, and thus they have a point to start transforming from.

      I also think question 5 relates to question 4. Perhaps Socrates or Plato have already laid their intentions clear in the first two books on how they intend to counter the poets, but I think the citing of the poets by Glaucon and Adeimantus show us that they too have the ingrained cultural beliefs that Socrates must work with or break by the end of the text. It's their possible transformation from their citing of the poets that makes it notable at the beginning.

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    2. Your response to Q1 seems exactly on point. Socrates suggests in many dialogues, but most prominently in the Meno, that virtue cannot be taught. You can lead a man to virtue, but you can't make him embody it. This raises the hugely important question, though, of what conditions, qualities, circumstances, etc. make it possible/likely that one who is led to virtue will also choose to commit to it. My sense is that the dramatic elements of the dialogues may be at least as helpful as the arguments for pursuing that question. Your response to Q4 seems to take some steps down that path.

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  3. Question 3: I feel that the elements of both the educational and political forces behind the text can be seen as intermingled and intertwined which are necessary for both existence. This makes me think that it is imperative to not limit the Republic to just one focus but rather to read and approach it with both perspectives in mind. I don't believe one could be said to be more or less valuable than the other because they work together at parts to draw the audience toward the greater picture. I believe that attempting to find a single motivating factor behind the Republic would only limit the reader and constrain the audience instead of allowing them to read and see a larger picture that he is painting in front of them.

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    1. Well said. Look at my reply to Antony above, though. Socrates has a clear preference for the educational arguments over the political ones. If we are to take both threads seriously, as I agree that we must, we must also try to make sense of Socrates' priorities.

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  4. Question 1. Yunis says that Plato teaches that,"the good of the soul is such that in comparison to it all other goods must always be deemed inferior. This teaching is protreptic because it is not practical. Most people would say that this is crazy talk. In the Meno, Socrates asks if excellence can be taught and argues that if it could it would surely be institutions that taught it. In the real real world there is no emphasis on cultivating good souls. Socrates seeks to inspire and to provoke thought. Not just right opinion but to change peoples heart at the core. This is a more protreptic teaching. Education is more practical and structured. Socrates teaching is not measurable. How can you develop tests the measure the pureness of the soul? Imagine asking elementary students to value the goodness of their souls over learning how to read and write. This is why Yunis separates Socrates teaching from more conventional education. Education teaches us what we need to know to survive and Socrates is teaching about cultivating people who have good souls. It takes more than education to do this.

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    1. I love this response, but I think we need to tighten up our working vocabulary a bit. You seem to have a narrower definition of "education" than Anna seems to have had in her review. I took her to use "education" to refer to all the parts of the argument devoted to the cultivation of a particular soul (rather than the development of political policy). But, I think you're on to something. If education, as you see it, doesn't do the work Socrates is calling for, what would your word(s) be for what does? Is education a sub-set of what you're looking for, or a separate category?

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  5. Question 3: In short, no. The Republic is dense, and at times seems all encompassing. As we said in class, the defining and creating of the cities is based off of things already present in the soul, but they are political regimes. Yunis chooses to highlight the educational process, which is extremely important and as he mentions, Socrates argues this well; but how can you take out the actual political ideals either stated or implied? I tend to agree with Yunis' thinking, that Plato is essentially using this dialogue to teach the reader how to do philosophy, and live a better life: but how many thesis papers have been on the Republic? The fact that so many smart people can read the same book and draw so many conclusions shows not necessarily opaqueness but just great detail and complexity. I by no means know what Plato's goal of this book was, but one certainly can't dissect it that plainly.

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    1. Hmmm . . . all your arguments point to the Republic being hard to dissect, but none of them quite supports the claim that its impossible. So, I'm comfortable agreeing that none of us will understand all the working parts of this magisterial dialogue this semester, but I'm not persuaded that it is, in principle, impossible to do so. I wonder what is at stake for you, here. What changes for you if the dialogue is impossible to dissect, rather than just really, really, really hard?

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  6. Question 2: I think we can but only to a certain extent. Much of the political ideals that Socrates lays out are very idealistic and would not hold up well in the real world. Becoming the idealistic Philosopher-King would be a very very difficult thing to achieve. However, Plato does put a lot of emphasis on education and how important it is when creating a city. The rulers must go through years of education before they can even begin to rule. Although the creation of the city was merely for the purpose of comparing it to the soul, I believe that Plato’s political philosophies can be seen in the arguments especially when it comes to this idea of justice. In order for justice to be in a city, there must be just people and in order for someone to be just, they must be educated on why being just is better than being unjust. I think that Socrates’ arguments can support both this protreptic purpose in guiding people towards the idea of virtue as well as the political aspirations that Plato had in mind. While virtue needs to be understood by the just people, it does not seem like it is something that can simply be taught with a definition. The very virtue of justice takes the entire dialogue to define. I believe that education is at the root of Plato’s political ideals and it would make sense for him to have added a protreptic touch to his philosophy of politics.

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    1. It is difficult, but really important, to keep the political and individual (educational) threads of argument separate. On the political side, we are in the business of educating the people in the city who are destined to rule (and, to a lesser extent, but no less importantly, the people to be ruled). On the educational side, we are educating the part of ourselves that is destined to rule over our individual life (and, to a lesser extent, but no less importantly, the parts of ourselves that are to be ruled). The arguments fall apart when you break down the barriers between the elements of the analogy and, for example, try to think about the internal justice of the rulers who are to be meting out political justice.

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  7. Except for the fact that some members of our class have not yet posted their comments on this review (and they still should!), this is exemplary of what I hope this exercise will do for our course. Anna has provided an entry point into the meaning and significance of Yunis's argument. You guys have taken the time to think about what that argument means for you and for your understanding of the Republic. This is what needs to keep happening in order for you to write good, serious, well-grounded research papers on the Republic by the end of the semester. Keep up the great work. You're on track.

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  8. (3) No, I don't think the Republic has to have one single meaning. In fact, all these great books are the ones that have different interpretations and are able to communicate with all types of people at different levels depending on their interest. That being said, for me the book is educational, but for someone who is into politics, then they are going to have a completely different view. This book is big and complicated (not to understand, but because it has different interpretations) so, it is not beneficial to get frustrated if your classmate is not seeing eye to eye with you.

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  9. (2) I believe most of what Plato says should not be taken at face value. The very nature of Plato is to argue his political opinions and convince people to agree with his side. While I recognize that Plato has great thoughts and ideas, I always remember when reading his works that his end goal is to convince me of something, so I always expect some hidden meaning behind his words.

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  10. Yes, I believe Socrates is using Plato as a vehicle to express his own thoughts and feelings toward political ideas. He understands the nature of mankind as well as the current time, therefore he uses literary devices such as described in the final section to make Socrates's arguments appealing and intriguing to the reader. While Plato's and Socrates's thoughts are in line, I feel they would express them differently. It is through Socrates that Plato is able to make his ideas relatable and put them on the grander stage. Plato's ideas are a model and type to strive toward. While a just city may or may not be attainable, Plato lays out an appealing argument as to how atlas attempt to achieve justness.

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