Wednesday, April 6, 2016

Seminar Paper- Book 6

Analogy of the Divided Plato/Socrates

“I know one thing: that I know nothing” – Socrates
     
        Throughout the Republic of Plato, the audience is led to believe that Socrates has understood the true meaning of justice because he is able to explain it to the other interlocutors. He defines justice in Book Four and is prepared to jump right into the topic of injustice before he is interrupted by Adeimantus, which results in a three book detour on the nature of understanding. According to David K. O’Connor in his essay on “Rewriting the Poets in Plato’s Characters”, there is an ambiguity about whether or not Socrates has actually made it out of the cave towards a greater understanding. In fact, Plato toys with us about whether or not his teacher has reached the highest level of the Divided Line that is the Good when Socrates is asked to define what the Good is in Book Six. However, even though Book Six is the first time we are introduced to the Analogy of the Divided Line, much of the concepts outlined in the diagram can be echoed in the very words spoken between Plato’s interlocutors. And perhaps it is these subtle clues of the opinions versus the understanding that can help us to uncover the mystery of where the divide between Plato and Socrates is and maybe even where Socrates lies on the Divided Line.
          The Analogy of the Divided Line draws a sharp and an unequal division between the visible world of opinion and the intelligible realm of knowledge. Socrates places images and perceptions in the state of opinion because, at that stage, we do not have the knowledge to understand why we perceive certain things the way that we do, only that we do indeed perceive them (509d-510a). He goes on further to say that mathematical reasoning, which includes hypotheses, and the Forms, which exemplify absolute understanding, which are what constitute the world of knowledge, because they are concepts that we must look at beyond what our eyes can conceive to be true (510b-511d). The Analogy of the Sun makes the claim that just as we need the sun in order for our eyes to see all that is visible, we need the Good in order to understand all that is intelligible, or in a sense, “invisible” (508c). Socrates tells Glaucon in Book Five that opinion lies between ignorance and knowledge.
         The Analogy of the Divided Line has been seen in many aspects of the dialogue. The city-soul analogy proposed in Book 2 is a clear demonstration of the solid divide between that which is human opinion and understanding. The soul is an immaterial concept that can be difficult to process because we cannot see it whereas a city is a concrete idea that most of us are familiar with. In fact, after Glaucon and Adeimantus’ present their challenge to Socrates, Plato makes the point to alert the audience that he, meaning Socrates, was “speaking his opinion” in regards to how to proceed with defining justice in the soul (368c). Socrates then proceeds to say, “It looks to me as though the investigation we are undertaking is no ordinary thing, but one for a man who sees sharply. Since we’re not clever men, in my opinion, we should make this kind of investigation of it -” (368c). This suggests that none of the interlocutors at that moment are able to understand the idea of justice in the soul without first being able to visualize it in a city (368c-e). Socrates even goes so far as to say “we are not clever men”, implying that he too does not have a full understanding of justice in the soul due to his initial claim that he is not “capable” of such an argument. Arguably, it could be the opposite as well, that Socrates has reached the full understanding (the Good) but must make his way down (back into the cave) and back up again, similar to the Myth of Er.
         The irony in this is that, as early as Book 3, Socrates condemns the concept of opinions because of their constantly changing nature when talking about the ruler of the just city, who should not be easily influenced by opinions (413a-e). He later revisits the idea of opinions when speaking with Adeimantus about the Good in Book 6, where he reprimands Adeimantus for wanting to hear other people’s opinions on things of which they know little about, and of course Socrates is referring to himself (506b-d). His initial attempt to evade defining what the Good is causes some uncertainty about whether or not he actually knows what it is, implying that his definition would be that of opinion and not actual fact. Perhaps this is Plato telling us that Socrates does not know fully what the Good is or he does, but similar to his approach to justice, he believes that the argument would be too difficult to be understood by the interlocutors. Another possibility is that this is Plato saying that he himself cannot mimic the voice of his mentor in this endeavor, at least to the full extent of Socrates. Plato is caught contradicting himself in Book 3 when he, as Socrates, denounces the act of imitation due to the fact that it is inauthentic yet the entire dialogue is in fact him attempting to imitate/ personify the voice of his teacher.
         The phrase “in my opinion” has been used about eighty-five times in the Bloom translation of the Republic of Plato, a third of which were spoken by Socrates himself. I found it incredibly interesting that someone who condemns opinions in such a manner would then turn and use his own opinion in order to drive the dialogue. But perhaps this contradiction signals to another meaning. Socrates’ assertion of his opinions often occurs in rather important scenarios. For example, in Book Four, Socrates tells Glaucon: “Well, it’s wisdom, in my opinion, which first comes plainly to light in it. And something about it looks strange. The city we described is really wise, in my opinion (428b).” He also states his opinion when Glaucon suggests the luxurious city in place of the healthy city, which Socrates believed, in his opinion, was the just city. Why is it that Plato chose these specific points in the dialogue to invoke Socrates’ opinions? I believe this is because Plato is telling the audience that this is his opinion of the Socrates that he has created. He reminds us that the Socrates who is narrating the dialogue is a creation of his imagination and his perception of his teacher and that while the interactions between these interlocutors may or may not have taken place, the dialogue itself was all documented by Plato and much of it may have been exaggerations of the initial interaction (if it even happened at all…).
I mentioned in the introduction that there are clues in the dialogue between Plato’s interlocutors. The Allegory of the Cave puts into context the journey that one would take from the bottom of the Divided Line (ignorance/the bottom of the cave) to the top (knowledge/out of the cave) where, in order for one of the prisoners to leave the cave, they would have to be forcefully taken up towards the light, meaning against their will. Socrates is initially unwilling to accept the challenge of proving justice superior to injustice as well as the definition of the Good, but is persuaded by Glaucon and Adeimantus to pursue these endeavors, however, he must first create visual metaphors in order to put his argument into perspective for others to follow. In doing so, he is either saying that he is unwise or we are or quite possibly both.  But the evidence that Socrates is helping the interlocutors (we the stupid people) on this journey from the bottom of the Divided Line/the Cave can be seen when he inquires his fellow interlocutors about their own opinions almost as if to say “do you perceive what I am saying”. By asking the question “in your opinion…”, Socrates brings the philosophies down to a level in which the interlocutors (and us) can understand them through perceptions of what we already know. He uses the Socratic Method in order to induce critical thinking about the concepts through interactive teaching rather than simply laying them out in plain lecture. For example, in his argument with Thrasymachus, Socrates asks for his opinion about whether “there is still some work that belongs to a horse” which leads Thrasymachus to say that he does not understand. Socrates proceeds to break the argument down further to the point that Thrasymachus can follow (and eventually get defeated) (352d-353c).This inquiry of the other interlocutors creates the allusion that Socrates is in fact higher on the Divided Line and is trying to lead others towards higher understanding by checking to see if they are following what he says. Or at least it may be what Plato believes. Interestingly enough, the only time when Socrates does not inquire about another’s opinion is during the entirety of Book 8.
The entirety of the Republic of Plato is a dialogue of imitation, which makes it difficult to separate the voice of Plato from the voice of Socrates. One of the biggest questions remains whether or not Socrates has actually reached the end of the Divided Line or if Plato himself is unaware of whether or not his teacher made it out of the cave. The Divided Line separates opinion from knowledge, where opinion is limited to perception and imagination and not actual thought. Plato uses this division several times in the dialogue as a way to remind the audience that the Socrates narrating the Republic is one created by Plato, by means of the very words uttered by the interlocutor when stating his opinions about core concepts. Although Plato does contradict himself at times, he leaves subtle hints about his theory of Socrates’ wisdom and knowledge, and while we may never know if Socrates made it out of the cave, Plato’s use of his mentor’s voice sheds a bit of light on the divide between Plato and the Socrates that he created.

8 comments:

  1. Since ignorance and knowledge seems to be on opposite ends, perhaps extremes, and opinion is in the middle, does this mean opinion is a type of moderation? What is it about opinion that makes it be in the middle?
    Do we need imagery in order to achieve understanding? If so, wouldn’t that make imagery the more important section of the divided line? Socrates always gives us images in order to help us understand.
    How much does Socrates understand justice? If he does not fully understand justice, he shouldn’t be teaching it because its his opinion on something he knows little about.
    When Socrates checks to see if we the people are following, by asking us of our opinion, is that still using imagery or is it something else on the divided line?

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  2. I think the conversation on what Plato's Socrates actually knows is very interesting. If he has indeed left the cave, descended and is working his way back up with the interlocutors, then his opinion isn't an issue because he already has already gained real knowledge of the Good. As Jordin said during class, maybe he ascended but didn't gain complete knowledge while he was there. I find this less likely. But regardless, if Socrates has already climbed and gained knowledge, I have less issue with his opinion than I do of his lack of knowing. For example, before diving into the three waves he says, "to present arguments at a time when one is in doubt and seeking - which is just what I am doing" (451a). What is he doubtful about and in need of seeking if he already knows the Good?

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  3. I really liked the point that you brought up at the end, reminding us that this isn't actually Socrates. I put that thought completely out of my mind and started thinking about these questions in a different way. Maybe this Socrates has come out of the cave and uses his "opinion" to try to persuade people into following him out of the cave without trying to be too demanding, or maybe he is still trying to escape and is asking people for help by giving his opinion on things.

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  4. I really liked how we discussed the fact that we must start off in the ignorance and progress toward knowledge or complete wisdom. I wander if this complete wisdom is ever attainable and not just another perfection to aim for and fall short into a very wise and knowledgable individual. As we move through life education and experience moves us toward wisdom and knowledge but my main question comes from wondering if the analogy comes as very dependent on each individual instead of a universal analogy? I believe that the universal aspect to this analogy comes as purely as everyone falls somewhere on this line but the placement of the divided line is a dependent factor based off each individuals education and experience.

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  5. Great topic. I think that you are on to something in paying attention to "in my opinion". I think that Socrates distinguishes between what is his opinion and what he knows to be truth. I think that Socrates spiritual discipline is overlooked. Socrates definitely has an ego but he also has the ability to transcend it and look at the world from a more selfless aspect.

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  6. As I said in class, this paper forces me to see Socrates as ignorant or as a man who lacks knowledge and wisdom. Honestly, I don't want to see see him as that! I think the reason why Socrates does not might be because he doesn't want to force his "own knowledge" upon the others. Socrates is known for his Socratic dialogue because he wants people his come to the conclusion on their own. He wants people to pursue knowledge on their own, nit just follow Socrates. Thus, when we say "in my opinion" it is when we share our own opinion without saying this is the only way or making it a universal truth which is what a tyrant does!

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    1. I think that as a philosopher you must use the phrase "in my opinion" because to not do so would be an attempt to place your ideals on another, and this would hinder that other's freedom to search for wisdom. I do not feel like this makes Socrates out as an ignorant man, but instead as a philosopher who is trying to have an open discussion on various topics of which he has some ideas.

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  7. Great Paper! The information about how many times Plato uses “in my opinion” is fascinating. Since he equates opinion to untruth, I wonder whether there is any actual truth. Since each individual perceives things differently, is there any actual truth we can know?

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